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Posted by Martin on August 17, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Martin, following discussions last Wednesday at the Reunion about the postion of the old Nissen Huts, I contacted Derrick Savage (who was there at that time) I forward to you his reply, it appears that they were in the next field, to the LEFT, just over the hedge from the new accomodation block, Derrick thinks that they even used the same path across the Aerial Farm to the Transmitter Hall. So it looks as though the mystery is solved, the Nissen Huts were alongside the Public road B4525, next to the "new" Block.

Subject: RAF Greatworth old site position.

 

Hello Eric.

Thanks for your E-mail. Its amazing how information gradually disappears with time. I am firmly of the opinion, that there is no such thing as permanent record. Even in these modern times with advanced communications and information storage techniques, given enough time information details fade away.

 

Now to try to answer your question, I would like to know where the new accommodation block was situated relative to roads and the transmitter hall using the Google satellite image of that area.

 

I am assuming the Google default satellite view is showing north at the top of the page. Now centre your viewing of the Google satellite image over the cruciform shape of what was the transmitter hall and zoom in to include the B4525 road running east/west. Approximately 250 yards north of the hall there is another, what looks like some sort of industrial compound that has a well defined car park. This car park looks relatively recent. The northern edge of this car park was as far as I can tell the southern boundary of the old accommodation block. This extended right through to the B4525 road where there was an entry gate to the site. As one came through the gate, 6 nissen huts were on the left and on the right was the canteen /recreation nissen hut. I expect you have seen my photographs of these huts and that of the interior of the tranmitter hall.

 

Now two very interesting features of the satellite picture is a well trodden footpath stemming out from the corner of the car park towards the transmitter hall. I am fairly certain this was the access path to the hall we used, when I was there. I distinctly remember one of the rhombic 90 ft aerial towers being very adjacent to this path. The 2nd point of interest is the concrete bases of some of the aerial towers that can be seen in the field near to the industrial buildings (ex accommodation area), one of which is immediately next to the path.

 

The old accommodation block looked like a grim prison compound while I was there. It was bearable during the summer months, but there was nothing endearing about the camp site throughout the winter, when it was decided to rebuild the transmitter hall around the old decaying nissen style hall. One end of the hall, where the feeder lines went out of the building was open to the elements throughout the building process. It was so cold in there the mercury vapour rectifiers would not vaporise properly shorting anode to cathode causing the demise of the 3 phase contactors as they welded together and the fuse link holders shattered as the fuse ruptured violently.

 

Needless to say I was glad to get out of the place. Anyway I hope the above information is of assistance to you. Please keep in touch and let me know what you discover about the place.

 

Kind regards.

 

Derrick R. Savage

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6 Comments

Reply Martin
04:21 AM on November 06, 2011 
I have aquired a copy of a 1946 OS map Banbury cropped to Greatworth, it sugests Roy Carne could be correct, at least for 1951! This map is a little too early to help, as it depicts the site before any acommodation was built. Now different people with two different descriptions could be that there were two different sites? Nissen huts are transportable, it would take maybe a week to resite them? I have uploaded the map into the general views gallery.
Reply Martin
05:12 PM on November 05, 2011 
Roy Carne writes that he remembers a different setting for the acommodation in '51, he says he remembers the accomodation being on the road north from the Marsden road to the south west of the camp and near to the farm that is along that road, this road junctions at its northern end with the Welsh Lane B 4525, west of the new acommodation. That is two sugested locations? Could they both be right? Was the site moved during the ten years since the war ended? Roy wasn't alone in this sugestion a member sugested this area some while ago.
Reply Martin
12:32 PM on September 21, 2011 
Okay, I've `skewed' the plot outline of the `old accomodation' and that does make some sort of sense as it aligns with the same `north-south' alignment as the tx hall! But I wonder about the boundary of the old site adjacent to the road, was it parallel to the road or a true rectangular plot? Aren't we nit picking, eh? Any thoughts fellas?
The previous suggestion that the site was the other side of the new buildings in the field next door, conflicts with the tx hall path position as described?
Reply Martin
03:17 AM on August 18, 2011 
These latest blogs, flesh out the old camp nicely, what is the access road was the orriginal path to the TX Hall, there is a picture of this in Derricks photos. The ablutions were seperate from the mess/naafi utilities block and the CO lived where the tennis court was sited. Many thanks Derrick, excellent description from over half a century ago! Just think of all the building materials and the radio equipment that was brought onto the TX site, along a dirt track? The access road wasn't there then, it stopped at the far end of the billets/nissen huts!
Reply Martin
03:00 AM on August 18, 2011 
Derrick Continues with:-Thanks for your last E-mail. Now that you have indicated where the new accommodation block was situated, I believe Martin is correct as to where the old accommodation site was. It makes sense not to build the new block on the site of the old one for logistic reasons. So disregard the reasoning in my previous E-mail.

It also makes sense that the entry from the B4525 is the original entry to RAF Greatworth accommodation area. The only thing I would modify slightly is the position and size of the boundary lines that Martin has marked as the old accommodation area. The entry gate was set back just a few feet from the road. Walking through the gate revealed a central road that extended to the boundary at the end of the accommodation area. There was no guard house and just a few yards on the left set back a few yards from this central road, was the 1st of 6 Nissen hut billets. All 6 of the Nissen billets flanked the central road

On the right hand side of the central road was a fairly large canteen and social activities building in a similar style to that of the billets. Where that building ended, there was a gap of about 5 yards and one would come to the communal toilet, shower and bath house. No toilet facilities were in the billets. You can imagine what that was like on a freezing or wet cold night and you had to make your way to do the necessary, especially if you were living in the billet furthest away from the toilets.

Now,in that gap between the canteen and the toilet block was, believe it or not a quaint country looking style which marked the start of a muddy footpath through the aerial field to the transmitting hall. No lights illuminated this path at night.

This path I believe is now tree lined and asphalted. One of the aerial towers was very close to the path as you can see in the wikimapia view. The only discrepancy is that the path started from the top right hand corner of the old accommodation area when viewed from the entry gate. This would make Martins boundary estimation slightly wrong. I think the area was skewed to make the left bottom corner on the wikimapia view line up with the tree lined path as it is now. The top (north) boundary line definitely should be extended almost to the edge of the B4525 road and the right hand (east) boundary edge should extend further into the field than is shown now.

In all this discussion we are having, one detail has not been mentioned, that of the CO's accommodation. Walking down the path from the transmitting hall, he lived approximately where that grey, what looks like a tennis court is on the wikimapia view. Maybe you could confirm this.
Reply Martin
03:22 AM on August 17, 2011 
So, we're back to the Welsh Lane location, each side of the access road/gate. Facing the gate from the road, there would be 6 nissen huts on the left where now is a hedge and on the right the bigger nissen hut mess/naafi etc. This would put the main access to the TX building through the centre of the then accomodation area. One of the old pictures shows that this is big enough for that and it is a logical possition to place them.
Thanks Derrick, thats great.

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